The Wendigos are the main antagonists of the 2015 video game Until Dawn. The victims of an ancient curse placed on Blackwood Mountain, the Wendigo are. Oct 19, 2015  Warning: This page contains spoilers for Until Dawn. Please proceed only if you are at Chapter 9 in the story to avoid any spoilers. When you pass the lower ring area (you will spot a Wendigo.

Prologue “And after all these years. After many moons and many hunts, the Makkapitew still roamed free.

Out of my grasp, beyond my reach. Until one night, a year ago I was finally able to get him in my sights.

But we were not alone in the woods that night. While I was tracking the Makkapitew, it was tracking something else. The Makkapitew forced your friends over the mountain. There was nothing I could do.

I couldn't save your friends. But I could avenge them.

I hunted the Wendigo down and I doused it with fire. The Makkapitew was dead.”. Contents Until Dawn BackgroundLike all Wendigos, the Makkapitew was presumably a human who had resorted to cannibalism while atop, causing him to transformed by a Wendigo spirit into the monster.

The Stranger's grandfather dedicated his life to hunting Wendigos. Despite his prowess, he could not defeat the Makkapitew, who in turn killed him instead.InvolvementThe Stranger was hunting the Makkapitew on the same night of Hannah's party. After she and Beth fled after and prank on Hannah, the Makkapitew began hunting them.

So why DO the writers have these characters constantly wading through freezing water? The excuse I keep hearing is, “It’s movie physics!” But is it?

Even movies acknowledge just how brutal freezing water is, even if movie characters bounce back a little faster than in real life. I’ve never seen a movie where someone jumped into icy water and it was portrayed like they were just “chilly”.There doesn’t seem to even be a point to it. The water at the bottom of the mine (where they find Josh) is the only part of the story where the water is used for suspense or to hide a threat. The rest of the time it’s just a pointless little moment where you have to walk slow for fifteen seconds. It’s such a strange design choice. For people like me it’s this huge break in immersion as our characters are repeatedly exposed to deadly conditions with no impact, and for everyone else what? Even if you’re not pulled out of the game, it’s not like these short swims are interesting or add anything to the story.Also, the end of Matt’s story is kind of a letdown.

It seems like they’re still on the mountain. Still in the woods.

It’s still dark. They’re still lost. All I needed was one line of dialog along the lines of “Oh look, there’s the secure building! We’ll be safe there!”So that was Until Dawn. It bugged me in a lot of small ways, but I kind of admire it. It’s full of cool ideas, wonderful scenery, great character designs, and really offers a lot of branching decisions / outcomes. The problems I have with the game are mostly problems I have with the genre it’s riffing on.

It feels like the game has an experimental / indie approach to gameplay, but with AAA production values. Despite my gripes, I think the whole thing is an impressive accomplishment. Now that you’ve seen it all, which teen main character did you end up liking the most? I threw up a strawpoll of every non-joke answer option(We all like Peter Stormare).

So go for it, and give reasons in the comments. Way back in episode 8 I ranked them like this:1. AshleyLooking at it now, I would probably move Sam down under Emily.

She’s pretty and pleasant, but you basically never see her for the middle of the game. Except for Matt and Jess, she probably has the least screentime, or at least heavily concentrated at the beginning and end. Watching a second playhtough, I didn’t appreciate her as much as the first time even though she’s a lot in the ending couple of episodes. It’s a bit hard to rank since Jessica and Matt are just throw away characters that are almost made to die. Potentially some of the others as well if Josh hadn’t been playing so well.

A lot of the characters that you end up liking are those that get the most screen time so I enjoyed Chris and Mike, not sure why the group initially hated on Chris so much but maybe in other playthroughs he’s insufferable. Sam isn’t bad either except it gets really annoying when she constantly abandons others to go lone wolf because it’s faster. Without weapons. And then never encounters wendigos. She should have been picked off so quickly.And then least favoriteugh Emily. Maybe she just rubs me the wrong way and is so grating and arrogant and just treats people like garbage. Heck in the house scene we see her push Ashley and that’s the good ending.

According to Josh she can even shut the door on Ashley to make sure she dies. Even the debriefing has everyone recounting their experiences and yet Emily goes on about Matt and how she’s his girlfriend and super loyal and it just rubs me the wrong way like she doesn’t actually care about him and instead just has to say it. At least with Jessica you get that nice moment when she says Mike came for her and you feel the relationship become deeper. It’s just sad that Jessica is missing for so much of the game since the awkward teenage relationship scene between Jessica and Mike gets forgotten since it happened so early. There’s two ways to roleplay Ashley living through that. The first is if Chris is alive, she could be more concerned that he can’t keep up and justify avoiding the detour for his sake (he’s pretty shaken/beaten up by this point no matter what, thanks to the Stranger death sequence). The second is based on how closely you read the Stranger’s notes.

It specifically calls out that the Wendigos can “perfectly mimic their prey” and Mike has INSISTED that Jess is dead. Even quite recently. So Ashley could logically (and correctly!) deduce that this is a trap.What I love the devs for doing is trying to prank the player by having the first Jess scene since her attack (if she’s still alive) take place almost immediately before this trap. They set you up for the fall pretty great here, using omniscient knowledge you have that the characters don’t against you! I don’t really get how anyone can not like Chris.

He’s the only one except Sam who wasn’t involved with the prank that got Hannah and Beth killed (to our knowledge) and is usually the only to be actively regretful about it. I think the worst his characterization can diverge is that he can actively be played as a spineless coward, but most first-time players aren’t going to go for those options and thus aren’t going to see that side – additionally, if played that way Chris will almost certainly end up dead. So while I guess some people can be annoyed by his cringe-y antics in the early game I don’t know how anyone will dislike him by the end.On the other hand, I don’t get how anyone can like Emily. Her top qualities cited by advocates are her intelligence and resourcefulness but IMO it just does not make up for the grating core personality flaws. She bullies and berates her boyfriend incessantly into towing her party line. She panics at the drop of a hat when Matt is around.

She constantly incites conflicts with other characters often for no real reason. The prank that humiliated Hannah and got both her and Beth killed was her brainchild. If Ashley reveals the information from the journal that the bite means nothing then Emily retaliates in the ending sequence by pushing her against the wall while they’re being chased by the Wendigos (as we saw in this episode). In post-game she’s usually going to be actively trying to sic the police on Mike for pointing the gun at her, and unless you agree with her on almost every decision as Matt she throws him under the bus to the police as well, and if he’s dead talks mad shit about him and doesn’t regret a thing.Matt’s characterization really suffers because his central relationship mostly revolves around the dilemma of “Are you or are you not a huge sycophant for Emily?” and he is by far the easiest character to kill.

The vast majority of first-time players are going to get him killed because the method of saving him is bizarrely specific and counter-intuitive. He can have some really awful instances of divergent characterization that send him into unsympathetic territory (most obviously when he can badger Emily about Mike at the worst possible time) but again most first-time players aren’t going to go for that.

Outside of his relationship with Emily there’s just not much to him, and he’s by far the most wasted character.While Jessica can also die early, saving her is much more straightfoward, and the writers do a better job of giving her concrete traits before she disappears from the narrative by using the stereotypical “High School Beauty Queen is secretly insecure” archetype as a shorthand for gaining her audience sympathy. If she lives (usually she will) then it’s practically impossible to dislike her by the end of the game because she’s just so pitiful with her myriad horrible injuries.Ashley on the other hand can safely be labeled the most divisive and potentially divergent character in the game. She can be played in two primary ways – a vindictive, grudge-holding hypocrite or a hysterical yet curious woman terrified for her life. Even when played sympathetically, her worst character traits are visible under the surface, most visibly when she panics and sics Mike on Emily after seeing the bite on her neck. But if she’s played unsympathetically, she’s an ultimate case of the “Bitch In Sheep’s Clothing” trope. Starpoint gemini 2 console commands.

She claims she’s willing to sacrifice herself for Chris yet if Chris does shoot her she will murder Chris by inaction when he is chased by Wendigos after the Stranger’s death. She sics Mike on Emily and can conceal that she was totally wrong. While it’s unlikely a first-time player will most of this side of her, it’s by far the easiest to glean compared to other characters.

I think some of the disagreement about who’s “better” is because the question can be read in two ways:1: Which character’s personality do you like? I.e.: who would you prefer to be friends with IRL?2: Which character made the story more interesting / is written better / does the things which make you like the story / somethingIf we’re talking about number one, I completely agree, couldn’t have said it better.Sam wins hands down, Chris is up there. Mike redeemed himself after a bad start, and Em Em all the way at the bottom. She had a few scenes where she looked all vulnerable and sympathetic but as soon as other people are around she’s unbearable. So I played the game a couple of weeks ago, and I really enjoyed it, more than I thought I would. I think the horror movie format and adherence to tropes makes the move from movie to game mechanics work well. Characters are idiots, but that’s expected.

The party split and switch to different POV makes sense. And I felt real suspense throughout the game, even though in hindsight a lot of the sequences are safe.Also, the fact that your actions can kill both the characters you’re playing and the other characters is inspired. The tracking of the butterfly effects is well-done. All of this helps create anticipation, tension, and makes you second-guess yourself.So let’s balance all of this with some mechanical criticism:The quick-time events can be quite unforgiving. It did not ruin my experience, but if there’d been a setting to allow for more time, I would have definitely used it.

This inflexibility cuts the game off from a wider potential player base.The item hunt can be fundamentally at odds with the rest of the game. It’s a great addition from a pacing POV, it belongs to the genre in principle, but the game should have a much stricter delimitation between “quiet exploration time, let’s build the tension while researching the threat” and “danger time, you need to run”.Related to the previous point: the game yanks you out of free exploration mode periodically when something needs to happen. It makes sense from a story perspective, it’s required to build tension in the game, but this clearly doesn’t mix well with the whole item hunt thing. Sometimes, you’ll see several shiny points of interest things, and some are items while one is a one-way ticket to the next scene. Choose your order carefully!That leads to immersion-breaking play that Josh did not demonstrate too often (the benefit of having played through before).

Where you reach a fork, and you’re trying to figure out which way the devs expect you to go, so that you can go the other way and not miss the optional content. So maybe you inch your way forward down each path, because you don’t know when controls might be yanked away from you for the next cutscene/QTE.EDIT Oh, and the freaking totems! Bloody useless lot, all of them. At first, you think they will show up in a timely fashion, but they mostly don’t. Most of them make no sense as you get them, and those that do are misleading. (Oh here, Matt, take this flare gun because the totem told me to. So that you can fire it in the air when there is no reason to believe ANYONE is around).

And the categories (loss, death, fortune,) are ill-defined and useless.So. Very enjoyable all in all, but with room for improvement. And let’s hope the sequel brings us a completely different situation. After checking on the wiki, the point of the Em and Ash scuffle (or lack thereof if their relationship had been better) is that it affects their placement in the house, and so who gets to leave last. (Em left before Ash in this playthrough.)If you don’t mess up, it doesn’t matter. But in a very specific set of circumstances, you could have whichever of the two left last dying, while the other survives.I actually appreciate these small tweaks.

They’re easy to implement, easy to miss when you’re playing, but the fact that the devs made the effort to include them makes me happy. Just want to echo something that Rutskarn mentioned in the previous episode.Josh, and his motivations, take up an enormous amount of this game. And by the end I was really able to empathize with his situation. It is understandable that losing two of his sisters makes Josh harbor strong feelings towards those who were instrumental in their deaths. That’s not in any way an attempt to condone his actions, but they are at least understandable from someone who has experienced trauma and hasn’t been able to properly deal with it. Josh is clearly in a bad way, but he doesn’t have an arc.

There is no resolution to this man who has channeled his trauma into scarring his friends. Josh is either killed by Hannah (if Sam and Mike do not find Hannah’s notebook) or he fully loses his mind becoming a true monster. So I’m wondering what the game is suggesting with these being the only two options. Is it saying that Josh is already lost, too far gone to recover? That would really bother me.Now, to be fair, you also have to put that in perspective with the rest of the game. I mean, what is the game saying by having Jess die if Mike is too slow? Or Em die if she falls in a rock grinder?

Or Matt die if he wasted the flare AND tried to help Em get off the fallen tower? Or everyone die if Sam runs to blow up the house too soon?The way I see it, any of these character’s possible “arcs” can be cut short by their deaths. That is, in some ways, what make their death meaningful (They still have things they want to do.) But with Josh, there is no way out.

Watching this series, knowing that they is no way to get Josh to a state where he can recover, does make me resent the game a bit.As an aside How to you think Mr. Washington feel when the kids return from their cabin sans their own kids for the second time? To a certain extent, I think this is the worst knock against Mike. Since Josh isn’t dead and Mike watches him get dragged away, he should be aware that hey: Every free wendigo just ripped each other apart/exploded in the cabin. There aren’t any left in the mines, and it’s worth checking to see if Josh is still around. If they had come after one day instead of thirty or whatever it was in the post credit scene, he would be perfectly fine.

Now, it’s just tragic that he turned in the same way as his sister.It’s possible that this has something to do with a “canonical” path. I wrote a little about this in some of the comment discussions about choices. If Jess is clearly dead, Mike isn’t an idiot for not climbing down after her, and she’s clearly meant to be an early death considering how little she matters later, with only a ten-minute section along with Matt.

If the TRUE end of Josh is that his sister mauls him in the water, then Mike isn’t an idiot for abandoning him either.I would have loved for there to be an after credits-sequence where they just go and get the living Josh, though. I normally have sympathy for villains anyway and don’t want them to be killed rather than reform, but in Josh’s case his head is messed up in a sad way in addition to only being evil in a largely harmless prankster kind of way. I’m fine with the guys giving him a punch or two, but it was already too much when they carried him out to the ruined cabin and tied him up. Feels like it was more to set up the rest of the game than it was because that’s a reasonable thing to do. Exactly that.They went into the mine at night to get Josh while he had the key.

Now it’s day again, a large number of wendigos are no more, and nobody wants to go and rescue him? Mike mentions Josh being caught by a Wendigo and Sam just accepts that he must be dead — but they both know that he would not be the first to be caught and survive, and actually he did that himself before. So really, that’s inexcusable.If at least Hannah survived and was reunited with her brother in the end, that could have added some very weird sort of closure to the arc.

This was a fun season, guys. A shame Mumbles didn’t get to see the rest of it.Now, I think the finale is okay, but after thinking about it I couldn’t help imagining a more interesting version.

We know that Josh rigged the whole mansion to mess with the others, right? And they eventually find his command center, but don’t do anything with it.Personally, I wanted them to use Josh’s traps and nonsense to ward off the wendigos.

The traps aren’t fatal, of course, but I think they could have used them to at least distract the wendigos. As it stands, the finale revolves around the finicky “hold still” mechanic, and no one really likes that. Swapping between cameras, using dummies and jumpscares and shit to keep the wendigos’ attention while the others escape the mansion one by one — that just sounds a lot more interesting to me.Like Night Trap, basically. The way I see it, Until Dawn is really just an elaborate, polished retool of that game anyway. I can’t help feeling like they really missed an opportunity here. So why DO the writers have these characters constantly wading through freezing water? The excuse I keep hearing is, “It's movie physics!” But is it?

Even movies acknowledge just how brutal freezing water is, even if movie characters bounce back a little faster than in real life. I've never seen a movie where someone jumped into icy water and it was portrayed like they were just “chilly”.Well,technically they were wet for half an hour,tops(due to all the jumping you do between the teens).Its not that impossible to keep warm for that long while doing highly physical things and being full of adrenaline while wet in sub zero temperatures. I am a bit disappointed with how this story all turned out. Josh’s plotline, as Rutskarn pointed out, has no real resolution; this, to me, is a major problem, because Until Dawn is essentially Josh’s story.

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Sure, it has wendigos, but these are essentially dumped into the story in the final act. Josh’s mental breakdown from losing his sisters is the narrative throughline from the very start, the key to the story’s mystery plot, but it has no real end.Even the revelation that Hannah is a wendigo has no real payoff: Josh realizes the truth, but is given no time to ponder this new information. The other characters don’t discuss this revelation in any non-expository way. It essentially has no purpose.So what we’re left with is two plotlines: Josh’s breakdown and wendigos, which have no real relation to each other.

This game seriously needs to connect the dots between these stories. We need to see the connection between the characters’ guilt over their prank with Hannah’s fate as a monster. We need to see Josh’s guilt and remorse become external as well as internal; shape his actions in relation to his sister and his friends. And this needs to happen earlier than in the last forty minutes. Here’s an idea. Josh learns that Hannah is wendigoed but then, depending on previous choices, either assists the other characters in their escape, (redeeming his role in the first part of the story, reconnecting to the other cast members and symbolically accepting the loss of his sisters making a first step on the path to tecovery, if he survives), or he goes completely off the deep end and betrays the other characters to the creature he still thinks of as his sister, either dying in the process or, more in line with horror tropes, surviving for the post credits scene. I really like this games ending (when they all survive).They all seem more down to earth, more modest (Jess especially).The decision they made a year before to prank Hannah caused The Stranger to not be able to get the The Makkapitew (alpha wendigo and last wendigo still roaming freely on the mountain), possessing Hannah and transforming her and setting in motion some of the events we see in the game.

Butterfly effect!It’s also a shame that Josh forgot to play the totem video.Here is the full Events of the past video, chronologically speaking the narration of the video sounds like it could be by The Stranger while he was talking to the kids at the main building. Shamus you forgot to mention the sound design. The music is great but the context audio even better. 4:40: A you kidding me? She’s just going out alone, again? If she thinks that Mike and Josh can make it back the way they came, then she should be with them! Aaaaah, horror movie logic!

Why can’t people write horror stories without people being as dumb as this? It should go against every one of Hannah’s instincts to stray from the group, and she does not even give a reason. I know Shamus comments on it later, but WTF?The light in the mines comes from the movie set lighting which has been set to very low, to indicate darkness I suppose that a more realistic scene with actual darkness would have changed the tone a lot, what with most of the screen being entirely black. In RL, you at least have a sense of touch and can remember where things are in space, but in movies etc., where you don’t even control the camera, that’s impossible.

On top of that the developers don’t know how any individual’s monitor is configured so “very dark” can look very different on different monitors. That’s why I think most movies/games usually go for a lot more light than would be realistic. Thanks for joining the discussion. Be nice, don't post angry, and enjoy yourself. This is supposed to be fun. Your email address will not be published.

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